John KNIGHT Jane Rebecca KNIGHT George SHRIMPTON Male KNIGHT William Thomas SHRIMPTON George John SHRIMPTON Thomas John SHRIMPTON Thomas SHRIMPTON Eliza Selina SHRIMPTON Hannah Susan SHRIMPTON John SHRIMPTON Jane Rebekeh SHRIMPTON Charles SHRIMPTON Joseph SHRIMPTON Mary Anne SHRIMPTON Eliza Whitney SAMPSON Mini tree diagram
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Eliza Whitney KNIGHT1 (Eliza)

10th Jan 18251,2,3,4,5,6 - 24th Mar 18966

Life History

10th Jan 1825

Born in Deptford, Kent, England.1,2,3,4,5,6

Not possible to locate at FRC as records only began in 1837.
Must go back to Parish Records.

Via the genealogist website I found the following, fathers name does not agree but mothers name is that of one of the children & the fathers name is used for one of the boys, could be coincidence though as both names very common then

Piece Description
Register of Births at the Baptist Chapel in Helston, Cornwall from 1814 to 1837
TNA Reference  RG4 / Piece 427 (Register of Births at the Baptist Chapel in Helston, Cornwall from 1814 to 1837)/ Folio 19 [Chapel/Registry]
Full Name  Caroline Eliza Knight
Date of Birth 2 January 1824
Place of Birth
Place of Abode
Parish of Abode Rotherhithe
County of Abode Surrey
Registration Date
Registration Town/County  Helston, Cornwall
Ceremony Performed by
Parents
Father * William Knight
Father's Profession
Mother * Mary Knight
Mother's Maiden Name
Mother's Parish
Date of Marriage
Place of Marriage

27th Oct 1833

Baptised in Deptford St Paul, Kent, England, United Kingdom.1

27th Oct 1833

Resident in Deptford St Paul, Kent, England, United Kingdom (Lower Road,Deptford St Paul, Kent, England, United Kingdom).1

6th Jun 1841

Occupation Visitor in Blackheath, Greenwich, Kent, England, United Kingdom.7

6th Jun 1841

Recorded in census in Blackheath, Greenwich, Kent, England, United Kingdom (Cold bath House).7

6th Jun 1841

Resident in Blackheath, Greenwich, Kent, England, United Kingdom (Cold bath House).7

before 1843

Birth of son Male KNIGHT

14th Feb 1843

Birth of son William Thomas SHRIMPTON in Deptford, Kent, England.3,11,19

15th Sep 1845

Married George SHRIMPTON in St Nicholas Church, Deptford, Greenwich, Kent, England, United Kingdom.5

Lived most of their married life in Deptford.

15th Sep 1845

Resident in The Parish..5,8

14th Jun 1846

Birth of son George John SHRIMPTON in Greenwich.22,3,2,23,11

approx. 1847

Birth of son Thomas John SHRIMPTON in Kent, Deptford.24,3,11

1849

Birth of son Thomas SHRIMPTON in Deptford

28th Nov 1851

Birth of daughter Eliza Selina SHRIMPTON in Bermondsey, Surrey, England.25,26,3,27,28,11,4

approx. 1854

Birth of daughter Hannah Susan SHRIMPTON in Surrey, Bermondsey.3,11

approx. 1858

Birth of son John SHRIMPTON in Surrey, Bermondsey.3,11,4

7th Apr 1861

Occupation Wife of a Labourer in Bermondsey, Surrey, England.3,11,12

7th Apr 1861

Recorded in census in Bermondsey, Surrey, England (4 Gedling Place,).3,11,12

7th Apr 1861

Resident in Bermondsey, Surrey, England (4 Gedling Place).9,10,10

7th Apr 1861

Resident in Bermondsey, Surrey, England (4 Gedling Place,).3,11,12

25th Jan 1862

Birth of daughter Jane Rebekeh SHRIMPTON in Bermondsey, London, England, United Kingdom..29,30,31,32,33,4,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,12

1864

Birth of son Charles SHRIMPTON in Bermondsey, Surrey, England.4,12

7th Dec 1866

Birth of son Joseph SHRIMPTON in Bermondsey, Surrey, England.4

15th May 1869

Birth of daughter Mary Anne SHRIMPTON in 4 Rose Court, St Mary Magdelen Parish, Bermondsey, Surrey, England.44,4

2nd Apr 1870

Death of daughter Mary Anne SHRIMPTON in 4 Rose Court, St Mary Magdelen Parish, Bermondsey, Surrey, England.42,43

2nd Apr 1871

Recorded in census in Bermondsey, Southwark, London, England (24 Gedling St,).4

2nd Apr 1871

Resident in Bermondsey, Southwark, London, England (24 Gedling St,).4

2nd Apr 1871

Resident in Bermondsey, Surrey, England (24 Gedling St, Bermondsey, Surrey, England).13,14,14

3rd Apr 1881

Occupation Woodchopper in Bermondsey, Southwark, England.15

3rd Apr 1881

Occupation Woodchopper.15,16

3rd Apr 1881

Recorded in census in Bermondsey, Surrey, England (53 Gedling Street,).15

3rd Apr 1881

Resident in Bermondsey, Surrey, England (53 Gedling Street,).15

7th Jun 1883

Death of George SHRIMPTON in St Olave Southwark, London, England.17,45,46,12,12

8th Jun 1883

Resident in St Olave Southwark, London, England (22 Woolf Street,).17

18th Jan 1890

Death of son William Thomas SHRIMPTON in Southwark, London, England.19,20

18th Jan 1890

Death of son George John SHRIMPTON in Workhouse, Bermondsey, Surrey, England.21,12

18th Jan 1890

Death of son Thomas John SHRIMPTON in Bermondsey Workhouse, Surrey, England

5th Apr 1891

Occupation Woodchopper in Southwark, Bermondsey, London, England, United Kingdom.2

5th Apr 1891

Recorded in census in Southwark, Bermondsey, London, England, United Kingdom (Sub Reg District: St Mary Magdalen).2

5th Apr 1891

Resident in Southwark, Bermondsey, London, England, United Kingdom (Sub Reg District: St Mary Magdalen).2

24th Mar 1896

Occupation Widow of George Shrimpton Blacksmiths Labourer in Southwark, London, England.6

24th Mar 1896

Resident in Southwark, London, England (27 Woolf Street, St Olave, Southwark (Sub district of Leather Market)).6

24th Mar 1896

Died in Southwark, London, England, United Kingdom (27 Woolf Street, St Olave, Southwark (Sub district of Leather Market), England, United Kingdomq).6

Acute Bronchitis (5 days); Syncope.

14th Aug 1896

Cremated in Newham, London, England.18

Other facts

 

Buried

Notes

  • Name taken from Daughter Janes birth certifcate
    Birth & Death Year's taken from Valda Shrimptons email 1-Mar-2003 (age given as 69) therefore could be anytime between 1893-1896
    Lived most of their married life in Deptford.
  • Nov 27, 2017 ancestry contact

    Greetings,

    I am an experienced DNA genealogy researcher.
    Using my late father's Ancestry DNA kit results, I was doing a place name DNA match search for persons born in Deptford, Kent, England when I ran across your kit, which must be fairly new.

    I noticed that on your father’s line you have this person
    Eliza(beth?) KNIGHT
    BIRTH EST 1824 • Deptford, Kent, England
    DEATH 24 MAR 1896 • St Olave Southwark

    You show her father as:
    John KNIGHT
    BIRTH (INT 1780/99 (UNKNOWN)) • Unknown
    DEATH AFT 1780 • Unknown

    As Dad had Knight ancestors from the Deptford, Kent area I compared your information with what we knew about the Knight’s of Deptford. I even went so far as to create a new tree to try and connect our families working backwards from what you had found and then downwards in my tree. This was one of the more challenging research tasks I have attempted but in the end managed to solve the puzzle.

    The bottom line is that I am now convinced that we are 5th cousins.
    I believe that your Eliza(beth?) Knights full name was:

    Eliza Whitney Knight
    BIRTH 10 JAN 1825 • Deptford, Kent, England
    DEATH 24 MAR 1896 • St Olave Southwark, London, England

    She had a younger sister named:
    Jane Rebecca Knight
    BIRTH 15 JUL 1823 • Deptford, Kent, England
    DEATH Unknown
    Both daughters’ baptism records list their father John’s occupation as “Waterman”. This was also the occupation of our Knight ancestors which had me convinced I was on the right track.

    The two daughters’ parents' full names turned out to be:
    Eliza Whitney Sampson
    BIRTH ABT. 1804 • Deptford, Kent, England
    DEATH JUL 1839
    AND
    John Knight
    BIRTH ABT. 1796 • Deptford, Kent, England
    DEATH APR 1837 • Deptford, Kent, England
    They married on 28 Dec 1822 at St Paul, Deptford, England. Fortunately, the middle name Whitney appeared in the actual record image in England, Pallot's Marriage Index, 1780-1837 and from there I was able to find other marriage records. Whitney is not a common middle name and it really helped that both mother and daughter shared it.

    However, for some time, I wondered why I could not find this couple and their daughters in either the 1841 or 1851 census. The reason became apparent when I searched the death records and realized that both parents had tragically died in the late 1830s leaving their two daughters orphaned. Daughter Rebecca appears to have died young (bef. 1851 I suspect) but does seem to have married in 1843. The 1841 census is interesting as it shows her living with an unnamed two-month old Knight baby. I wonder if that child ended up living with his maternal aunt Eliza (your ancestor)? I mention this because in your tree you show a Knight child living with Eliza Witney Knight (Shrimpton) who is about the right age for that child.

    Anyway, as it turns out your John Knight is my 4 times great-uncle. His sister is our ancestor. Her name was:
    Elizabeth Knight
    BIRTH ABT 1792 • Deptford, Kent, England
    DEATH APR 1847 • Greenwich, London, England
    She is my 3rd great-grandmother

    John Knight and his sister Elizabeth were in turn the children of this couple:
    Charles Knight
    BIRTH ABT. 1765 • Rotherhithe, Surrey, England
    DEATH ABT 1810 • Deptford, Kent, England
    AND
    Mary Warder
    BIRTH ABT. 1772 • Dog Street, Deptford, Kent, England
    DEATH Unknown
    In DNA speak they are “the most recent common ancestors” and one or both of them had to be responsible for passing on the DNA strand you and my Dad share.

    If you add this couple’s names date and place information to your DNA linked tree (and it is identical to what we have in our tree) then the AncestryDNA computers should give you a DNA Hint that shows you the pedigrees on both our sides down to my father.

    Like your John Knight, his father Charles was also a Waterman.

    Charles and Mary had other children too; another one was named:
    Mary Joannah Knight
    BIRTH ABT. DEC 1800 • Deptford, Kent, England
    I also have a DNA match on my father’s kit to one of her descendants which makes it more likely then not that the match to your kit is indicative of a “solid” “identical by descent” DNA match.

    Now, in the course of doing my research I found many ‘bad’ ancestry member trees. A common mistake seems to have been confusing your John with another John Knight who was a cabinet maker living in Tonbridge, Kent, England who in 1815 married a woman named Elizabeth Blackey b.1795- . This is clearly incorrect (the location and occupation don’t fit) and I believe the DNA connection to yourself now proves that the Tonbridge John was not the son of Charles Knight and Mary Warder as many had assumed. I mention this because to my knowledge no one else has correctly worked out the connection between Charles and Mary and your father’s Shrimpton ancestors.
    I trust you find the information useful as you build your tree.
    You may be able to see the match & our tree by clicking on the blue "View the match" link at the bottom of this email.
    Best regards from your “new-found” Canada cousin,

    John C. Maguire
    (ancestry name ColleenMaguire118)

    View the match
    https://www.ancestry.ca/dna/rd/matchLink?senderUcdmId=005AD200-0003-0000-0000-000000000000&testGuid1=7DA9995F-CDA7-47B0-B974-2CC8A49F07E5&testGuid2=AEFAC59C-E24B-4FD8-A9FD-26EF441D3BB3&matchTestGuid=AEFAC59C-E24B-4FD8-A9FD-26EF441D3BB3

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